Poll: Should Yorktown Keep Fluoride In Drinking Water?

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Yorktown will hold a pubic hearing on Jan. 22 to determine if it should keep fluoride in its drinking water.
Yorktown will hold a pubic hearing on Jan. 22 to determine if it should keep fluoride in its drinking water. Photo Credit: Jenny Downing / Wikimedia Commons

YORKTOWN, N.Y. - Yorktown's Town Board will hold an informational hearing next week to consider discontinuing the practice of adding fluoride to the drinking water supply, and The Yorktown Daily Voice wants to know where you stand.

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Should Yorktown keep fluoride in its drinking water?

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Should Yorktown keep fluoride in its drinking water?

  • Yes

    39%
  • No

    60%
  • I have no opinion

    1%
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The hearing will take place Tuesday in Yorktown Town Hall at 363 Underhill Ave. during the Town Board's regular meeting.

The town temporarily discontinued the fluoridation of its water earlier this month for repairs at its Catskill and Amawalk facilities.

Supervisor Michael Grace said the repairs would be significant capital investments, and the town wanted to hear from its residents before moving forward.

"What we’re now balancing is a capital expenditure in replacing equipment and having to deal with environmental regulations," Grace said. "It’s just balancing resources against what we think is a public health issue."

Matthew Geho, operations director for Northern Westchester Joint Water Works, said fluoride is not a required chemical additive and residents would notice no change in the quality of the water if it was removed.

"It’s merely an additive to reduce dental caries (cavities, tooth decay)," he said. "There will be no aesthetic change. It will not impact the quality of the water."

Yorktown resident and Mt. Kisco-based dentist Carl Tegtmeier spoke in favor of fluoridation at the Town Board's Jan. 8 meeting. He recommended the board use scientific research to make a decision.

"I can understand why you would want to open it up to public opinion and get people’s opinion, but that’s exactly what it is. It’s opinions,"  Tegtmeier said. "Everybody’s entitled to an opinion, but basically, according to the New York State public health laws, the decision rests with you guys, and it should be based off facts."

Council member Dave Paganelli, the board's liaison with the water works, said he thinks it's important to hear from the public before a decision is made.

"I always maintain when I was running for office, that anytime I considered myself the smartest person in the room, I became the person that was not open to suggestion," Paganelli said. "I have tremendous faith in our constituency that they have the intelligence and the capability to go on the Internet, look at various things from different medical professionals, pro and con, and come in here and let us know what they want to do."

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Long Time, in the post below, wants you to rely on the government to specify a drug (Hexafluorosilicic acid, a toxic waste fluoride) for you to be forced to take. It is illegal for any doctor to try to force you to take a drug, and the only drug on the market not tested and approved as safe and effective by the FDA at that.

Most of us remember when they allowed tobacco, asbestos, gasoline lead, etc. on the market. Doctors and dentists were regualrly seen on the television ads promoting smoking. Can we always believe them? Does money influence their judgment?
There is a lot of profit for these groups selling their chemical waste to communities. so, "follow the money" to learn the truth is still good advice.

ATTENTION YORKTOWN RESIDENTS: Please be aware that all media items posted on the fluoridation subject will be flooded with comments from extremist anti-fluoridation groups that distort the truth and try to scare the public. Please be aware that there are reliable websites for you to review that contain peer reviewed, evidence based scientific information. These include:

Fluoride Science http://www.fluoridescience.org/

I Like My Teeth http://www.ilikemyteeth.org/

American Dental Association http://www.ada.org/fluoride.aspx

US Centers for Disease Control & Prevention http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/

For 65 years, community water fluoridation has been a safe and healthy way to effectively prevent tooth decay. CDC has recognized water fluoridation as one of 10 great public health achievements of the 20th century.

Comments entered prior distort a journal article. The actual journal article can be found at:
http://jada.ada.org/content/144/1/65.full
Read the article for yourself.

Yorktown water sucks, we drink bottled water. Yorktown water causes stains. The only thing you can count on is the water rates rising.

In the interests of community health and wellbeing, the Town Board needs to consider what Dr Hardy Limeback, recently retired Professor of Preventive Dentistry at Toronto University has to say about fluoridation at this link:
http://cof-cof.ca/2012/09/dr-hardy-limeback-bsc-phd-biochemistry-dds-dental-fluorosis-permanent-tooth-scarring-caused-by-fluoridation/

Here are some excerpts:

“In my estimate, repairing all those teeth with objectionable fluorosis costs families (on average) more money than it costs to treat the dental decay that fluoridation supposedly prevents.”

“Dental fluorosis caused by water fluoridation is scarring our kids’ teeth for life. The practice is morally and ethically indefensible and it has to end.”

Dr Limeback used to be an advocate of fluoridation, until he researched it himself. Because of what he learned he issued a public apology to his former students for previously having promoted the practice. That speaks volumes about his courage and ethics - and about this unethical, outdated, unsafe and ineffective practice.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating, as they say.

Many of the states with the longest fluoridation, many over 50 years, have by far the worst teeth. How is that possible if fluoride protects teeth?

Consider the following states:
Kentucky, which has been 100% fluoridated for over 40 years. Government records show that Kentucky leads the nation in the number of dental cavities in children, and in the number of completely toothless adults. The same ineffectiveness is evident in many states and cities, such as West Virginia, Washington D.C., Boston, Detroit, etc.

Fluoridated Chicago 3rd graders tooth decay rates increased from 59% to 63% in recent years. (2004 – 2009) and their untreated tooth decay went from 32% to 36%.

West Virginia is 92% fluoridated for many years and comes near last place in the nation with 38% toothless.

But look at Hawaii:
with the lowest fluoridation rate (9%), Hawaii has the lowest rate of toothless residents in the US (10%).

This shows the absolute ineffectiveness of fluoridation.
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ALL YORKTOWN DENTISTS, HYGIENISTS & PEDIATRICIANS:

Please come to the Town Board Meeting Next Tuesday evening 1/22 to voice your support for the continuation of fluoridation in your town's drinking water. We all know that the addition of fluoride to the town water is not "merely to reduce cavities and dental decay" but to ensure a lifetime of good oral health for residents in our community, both children & adults. Dental caries is an infectious disease that we want to prevent in our community and the addition of fluoride in your water supply is the answer to a healthy mouth. Good oral health is such an integral part of one's general overall health and well being.

So all dentists, hygienists and pediatricians please come to support the continuation of water fluoridation in the community where you live or practice in the best interest of your family and patients. Your evidence based testimonials of the excellent oral health of your family and patients, which you can attribute to water fluoridation, is crucial in the presentation to the Town Board and your neighbors who have been unsure or mislead regarding the beneficial effects of water fluoridation in a community.

I also highly recommend viewing the websites suggested by Long Time Yorktowner for accurate scientific information and facts. Our obligation to our patients, community residents and families is to ensure continued good oral health with the continuation of fluoridation in Yorktown's water supply.

Long Time wants you to rely on the government to specify a drug (Hexafluorosilicic acid, a toxic waste fluoride) for you to be forced to take. It is illegal for any doctor to try to force you to take a drug, and the only drug on the market not tested and approved as safe and effective by the FDA at that.

Most of us remember when they allowed tobacco, asbestos, gasoline lead, etc. on the market. Doctors and dentists were regualrly seen on the television ads promoting smoking. Can we always believe them? Did money influence their judgment?
There is a lot of profit for these groups selling their chemical waste to communities. so, "follow the money" to learn the truth is still good advice.

ATTENTION YORKTOWN RESIDENTS: Please be aware that all media items posted on the fluoridation subject will be flooded with comments from extremist anti-fluoridation groups that distort the truth and try to scare the public. Please be aware that there are reliable websites for you to review that contain peer reviewed, evidence based scientific information. These include:

Fluoride Science http://www.fluoridescience.org/

I Like My Teeth http://www.ilikemyteeth.org/

American Dental Association http://www.ada.org/fluoride.aspx

US Centers for Disease Control & Prevention http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/

For 65 years, community water fluoridation has been a safe and healthy way to effectively prevent tooth decay. CDC has recognized water fluoridation as one of 10 great public health achievements of the 20th century.

Comments entered prior distort a journal article. The actual journal article can be found at:
http://jada.ada.org/content/144/1/65.full

Fluoridation is a waste of tax money.

As a Civil Engineer, I know that people drink only 1/2% (one-half percent) of the water they use. The remaining 99 ½ % of the water with the toxic fluoride chemical is dumped directly into the environment (pollution) through the sewer system in toilets, showers, washing machines, dish washers, etc.

For each $1000 annually to add the fluoride chemical, $995 is directly wasted down the drain, $5 is consumed in water by the people, and $0.50 (fifty cents)  is consumed by children, the target group for this outdated practice.
So, $1,000 is spent annually to deliver $0.50 (fifty cents) of this drug to children.

This waste is comparable to buying one gallon of milk, using six-and-one-half drops of it, and pouring the rest of the gallon in the sink.

excellent point.
also note that fluoride is only effective on ages 1-7, the rest of the population is unnecessarily medicated with this drug.

Fluoride is neither a nutrient nor essential for healthy teeth. No adult has ever walked out of their doctor's office with a prescription for the fluoride drug because it is deadly poison and the body has no known use for it. It is never included in any multi-vitamin formulation. Drinking it to prevent tooth decay is as foolish as drinking sunscreen to prevent sunburn. Every fluoride toothpaste tube carries the warning "if swallowed, call a poison control center immediately."

As a top scientist and the premier international authority on fluoride, last year Dr. Paul Connett's published his most recent book "The Case Against Fluoride." It contains over 1200 studies (80 pages) and sound scientific reasoning showing the ineffectiveness and dangers to health including cancer, thyroid & pineal gland damage, broken hips from brittle bones, lowered IQ, kidney disease, arthritis and other serious health problems.

As an RN, mother and health conscious individual, I ask...Is it lawful to medicate people for a non-contagious disease without their consent? People who do not want to drink fluoride then need to buy and maintain expensive water filters. Is this fair? I began looking into the fluoride issue, again, a few years ago when my daughter had skin issues, at a friend's suggestion, we were at a loss. She discontinued fluoride toothpaste and began buying spring water at great expense and inconvenience. Her skin improved dramatically. Ok,, now we are stuck with buying spring water in plastic(non eco) bottles or buying, installing and maintaining a reverse osmosis water filter. I ask again, is this fair?

If people like fluoride, they are certainly welcome to purchase it in the form of toothpaste. I would also think that in light of budgetary challenges, discontinuing fluoride is a win/win proposition. It would be helpful to know what the city budget is for fluoridation. That money may be better spent in other areas of Yorktown.

I am sure that the technicians/engineers who add fluoride to the Yorktown water system will tell you that fluoride is a hazardous chemical and even diluted, who would want to drink it? One does not need to be a scientist or a "crazy anti-fluoride" nut to come to that conclusion. If one is a questioning person who likes to save money, say NO to fluoridation.

Thanks!

In 1990, the New York State Department of Health published a study, “Fluoride: Benefits and Risks of Exposure,” alerting officials that fluoride can be harmful to kidney patients, diabetics and those with fluoride hypersensitivity even at “optimal” levels . ( http://cro.sagepub.com/content/1/4/261.long ). Kaminsky et. al report: "The available data suggest that some individuals may experience hypersensitivity to fluoride-containing agents” and " …individuals with renal insufficiency who consume large quantities of fluoridated water are at an increased risk of developing skeletal fluorosis [bone damage].” Further, dental fluorosis [discolored teeth] was reported in diabetics who consume large volumes of water containing 0.5 to 1.0 mg fluoride/liter, the latter equal to NYS’s fluoridated water supplies.

Research in these areas were advised but never conducted. So claims of fluoridation’s total safety are not backed up by any research.

The American Dental Association admits in its Fluoridation Facts booklet that "decreased fluoride removal may occur among persons with severely impaired kidney function who may not be on kidney dialysis."

The National Kidney Foundation withdrew its fluoridation endorsement in 2007, with advice that “individuals with CKD [Chronic Kidney Disease] should be notified of the potential risk of fluoride exposure.”

Malfunctioning kidneys do not properly filter fluoride from the body which can cause fluoride to build up to damaging levels in the body.

In 2006, a National Research Council expert panel published a fluoride report which revealed that fluoride, even at low doses added to water supplies, can be especially harmful to the thyroid gland, kidney patients, babies, seniors and people who drink high amounts of water. They also revealed critical fluoride safety studies have never been done and studies linking fluoride to cancer and lower IQ are plausible.

Thirty-four human studies now link fluoride to lowered IQ, some at levels considered safe in the US. See: http://www.fluoridealert.org/articles/iq-facts/

As a result of the NRC report, the CDC, ADA and many health, government and dental organizations now advise the infant formula should not routinely be mixed with fluoridated water to avoid creating dental fluorosis (discolored teeth) in baby's new teeth . http://www.FormulaFluoride.Webs.com Yet, the NYS Department of Health has not made sure this information gets to new parents and caregivers.

When the town board member suggest the his constituents go on the internet to get information about water fluoridation at the very least he has the responsibility of suggesting some reliable sites of the " medical profession". A suggestion would be the Center for Disease Control and Prevention. As a board member he has an obligation to seek input from those who have the responsibiliy of public health e.g. those people in his county and state departments of health. We rely on the CDC and public health officials for advice on the influenza epidemic and would not feel comfortable going to town people for a definative decision. Ruling by concensus is just avoiding the obligation of the elected official in doing his own due dilligence. The members of the town council need to get input from those who care for the patients in their town and people who work in the public health field everyday.

And the CDC states that fluoridation works topically. So how does it make sense to add it to the water?

If you want to hear from medical, dental and scientific professionals who are very highly qualified to comment on the subject, look at the video "Professional Perspectives on Water Fluoridation" here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88pfVo3bZLY

And read what recently retired Professor of Preventive Dentistry at Toronto University says here: http://cof-cof.ca/2012/09/dr-hardy-limeback-bsc-phd-biochemistry-dds-dental-fluorosis-permanent-tooth-scarring-caused-by-fluoridation/

Two children born and breed in Yorktown, now 40 and 44 very active always drank pleanty of Yorktown water have never had a cavity or a tooth problem. Keep the system on line .
Just do not put Viagra in the water.

My two adult children have grown up without fluoride - and also have no cavities. But my neighbour grew up in fluoridated Melbourne, Australia, had dreadful tooth decay, and now has a full set of dentures. So I doubt fluoride in the water had anything to do with the two people you mentioned.

Fluoride works topically, not systemically. Even the CDC admits that. So why do they keep pushing to have it in the water? Vested interests is one big reason. Read the dubious history of fluoridation in investigative journalist Christopher Bryson's excellent book, "The Fluoride Deception" if you want to learn the facts.

Mr Geho leaves the wrong impression when he says failure to provide an optimal level of fluoride will not effect the quality of the water. While it is correct that the fluoride additive will not affect the safety of the water or the taste of the water, it will affect the quality of the water and the well-being of Yorktown residents. Drinking water with an optimal level of fluoride will sustain a lower rate of tooth decay for people of all ages and a higher quality of life. Failure to continue fluoridation will, over the long term, lead to a lower quality of life for Yorktown residents.

Please demonstrate even one piece of research that proves your statement of lower tooth decay and higher quality of life. I am a health professional, a dentist in fact. I have yet to see research that supports your statement.

ATTENTION YORKTOWN RESIDENTS: Please be aware that all media items posted on the fluoridation subject will be flooded with comments from extremist anti-fluoridation groups that distort the truth and try to scare the public. Please be aware that there are reliable websites for you to review that contain peer reviewed, evidence based scientific information. These include:

Fluoride Science http://www.fluoridescience.org/

I Like My Teeth http://www.ilikemyteeth.org/

American Dental Association http://www.ada.org/fluoride.aspx

US Centers for Disease Control & Prevention (CDC) http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/

For 65 years, community water fluoridation has been a safe and healthy way to effectively prevent tooth decay. CDC has recognized water fluoridation as one of 10 great public health achievements of the 20th century.

Comments entered prior distort a journal article. The actual journal article can be found at:
http://jada.ada.org/content/144/1/65.full

Please take the time to review reliable information on these websites.

Both the CDC and ADA admit that children below the age of 12 months should not ingest fluoridated water. What are your town's plans to warn the citizens that they should not be using tap water?
The Fluoride Action Network is not an extremist group. Every link is backed my solid science. http://www.fluoridealert.org/
Susan Rubin, DMD

Great Trailer for new movie, “Fluoridegate” features New York City children at NYC Councilman Vallone's Rally Against Fluoridation along with prominent professionals. Vallone introduced legislation to stop fluoridation in NYC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws_bbnfwDC8&feature=youtu.be

Unethical- IF water fluoridation works, it only works for ages 1-7 when adult teeth are being formed. You’re effectively medicating an entire population for the supposed benefit of a few.

Ineffective- decay rates continue to soar. there are no studies demonstrating reduced decay in populations receiving fluoridated water.

Unhealthy- Numerous health issues are connected with fluoridated water. http://www.fluoridealert.org/issues/health/

Babies under 12 months of age should never be given fluoridated water.
http://www.fluoridealert.org/issues/infant-exposure/
Post menopausal women have an increase risk of bone fracture in fluoridated communities.
People of all ages with thyroid related health issues need to be wary of fluoridated water as it can interfere with thyroid function. http://www.fluoridealert.org/issues/health/thyroid/

Expensive It costs money to fluoridate water supplies and to safely monitor the levels every hour. This money could be better spent elsewhere in our communities.

Dental journal article reveals that dentists know little about the fluoride science

In an article in the January issue of the Journal of the American Dental Association (JADA) authors Armfield and Melbye indicate that "Studies of dentists' attitudes about water fluoridation suggest that a lack of knowledge and preparedness are barriers to discussing the topic ... more than one-half of the respondents believed they needed more information and training on the issue,"

Armfield and Melbye postulate that: "Dentists' lack of self-efficacy with respect to critically evaluating scientific literature may help to explain their reluctance to promote water fluoridation in their clinical practices."

To compensate for dentists' inadequate understanding of fluoride science, the JADA article encourages dentists to use "political campaigns" and their "reputation with the public" to promote fluoridation. They write: "Advocacy through dental societies, such as participation in lobbying efforts, also may be an effective way for dentists to promote water fluoridation."

Little seems to have changed since the ADA's Council on Dental Health and Health Planning issued this unprofessional advice in a 1979 White paper:

"Individual dentists must be convinced that they need not be familiar with scientific reports and field investigations on fluoridation to be effective participants and that non- participation is overt neglect of professional responsibility."

Being unfamiliar with the scientific literature is far more serious today than it was in 1979. for more info http://www.fluorideaction.net/issues/health